Re: [Salon] Trump: Make Israel Great Again!




I had missed JD Vance’s speech lat May at the Quincy Institute (pre-scheduled family thing) but thought i’d look it up seeing Todd’s reference. It’s a very interesting speech (Todd’s summary is wrong) and I agree with most of it, think I disagree with some but am not sure. It might make  a good topic of discussion for those who are, or who used to be, on this list. I’ve provided the link. /Scott


On Sep 22, 2024, at 10:28 AM, Todd Pierce via Salon <salon@listserve.com> wrote:

Blocked as Spam again, maybe because of the Fox link, which produced a lot of advertising when I sent it. So I deleted the Fox icon/link, and will try again. It must be noted as well that when the Biden administration calls for “de-escalation,” however insincere that is, Trump escalates his support for all that Israel is doing in its on-going genocide, and escalation of war, against its Mideast neighbors. This speech of course is replete with Trump lies! 

While redoing this, this YouTube video came up, which will be like catnip to the New Right fans of Hawley’s here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAeMaykbKTo


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From: Todd Pierce <todd.e.pierce@icloud.com>
Subject: Trump: Make Israel Great Again!
Date: September 22, 2024 at 9:11:09 AM CDT
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As I finish writing this, QI and TAC favorite, Heritage Foundation President Kevin Roberts, is on Fox Sunday selling Project 2025, with no doubt that it is the Trumpite foreign policy Plan, with its “Common Defense” author, Trump’s last SecDef, and its supporters listed here:

<Heritage Foundation Total-War Militarization of America Plan.pdf>
Trump makes clear that supporting Israel’s fascist’s and their policies, like Kahanist Ben-Gvir’s and his son’s, is the centerpiece of his proposed foreign policy, with his co-President candidate Miriam Adelson by his side. Is this why so many people here support Trump?


BLUF: Make Israel Great Again!

I shared a news article about this Trump event yesterday, and included some facts of all that Trump as the “Make Israel Great” President had done, and plans to do again as the Make Israel Great Again, candidate in 2024, in league with Miriam Adelson, stepping in for Sheldon as Trump’s “co-President” in his next administration.  

I was unaware at the time that Trump himself listed many of his MIG accomplishments at the event. So here he is, with his close friend/co-Presidential candidate  Miriam Adelson, with the two of them making up a Mutual Admiration Society of two. 

Money quote: We’re going to "Make Israel Great Again," and we’re going to Make America Great Again (TP-with enormously “Greater” military budgets for “Full Spectrum Military Dominance,” above and beyond the “weak” Biden Harris!)

Someone should pass this on to the newshounds at the Koch-funded Republican/Responsible Statecraft and The American Conservative magazine, and libertarian new sites, which express bewilderment of Trump’s planned foreign policy.” As if J.D. Vance hadn’t "let the cat out of the bag” at the Quincy Institute/TAC event back in May for the following: European war against Russia, to free the US up for war on the "Eastern Front” against China, Iran, Palestinians, and now Lebanon, with war against China requiring war against Russia as well, if you know anything about Trump’s military doctrine from 2017 and 2018, Project 2025, and can read a map to see where Vladivostok is located! Yet I hear former intelligence officers express support for Trump as the “Peace Candidate,” which as horrible as Biden is, he doesn’t come close to Trump’s war provocations. Which in fact, led to the Russian counter-attack in 2022 of what Trump had done in Ukraine throughout his administration, and the same in Gaza. Does anyone think these military operations commenced without any long-term planning, and not as s a response to the war escalatory provocations of Trump? Which made it fully clear, to Trump’s identified “Enemies” in his doctrinal Warfighting policy, and their intell analysts, that US “Full Spectrum Military Dominance” had accelerated and escalated under Trump. Especially with his withdrawing from the couple Arms Control Agreements which remained unshredded after the previous Republican administration got done, acting in the “highest tradition” of the post-Cold War Republican Party, and of the “Traditional Conservatives” Buckley, Burnham, and Willmoore Kendall who waged “cultural war” against the US populace, to produce an ultra-militaristic culture. Mission Accomplished!

How Ben-Gvir's Son Is Influencing Israel's Next Generation of Extremists on TikTok

Shuvael Ben-Gvir, the son of Israel's far-right national security minister, seems to have cracked the code to viral success: a precise mixture of consistent social media uproar, opposition to protesters for a Gaza cease-fire and criticism of his father's political enemies

One doesn't have to agree with him to understand that Shuvael is gaining traction online.

One doesn't have to agree with him to understand that Shuvael is gaining traction online.Credit: Screenshot from Shuvael Ben-Gvir on Twitter.

In the eyes of many adults – and I'm referring to those elderly people over age 30 – TikTok is the Wild West of frenetic videos and strange trends, an impenetrable space dominated by young people. But the scandalous Israeli TikTok star of the moment isn't an amazing dancer, a talented cook or a beloved gamer. It's Shuvael Ben-Gvir, the son of far-right National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir. 

The young Ben-Gvir, the eldest of six children, will soon celebrate his 19th birthday, and says he's about to be drafted into the air force. He's been spending the past few months posting video clips (and lately tweets as well, for those too old to deal with TikTok), which are slowly spreading the tradition of his father's extreme Otzma Yehudit party to the younger generation. 

One doesn't have to agree with his political and personal opinions to see that he's an influencer who has gained clear traction, even if it's based mainly on social media scandals without much content beyond that. Shuvael also manages his father's official TikTok account, but in effect the two accounts are very similar – both he and his father express their opposition to the Israeli left and ongoing demonstrations for the release of the hostages, as well as political rivals. Shuvael uses his private TikTok account mainly to defend his father. 

Shuvael in a video calling for jail time for the person who threw sand at his father while on a beach.

Shuvael has amassed over 46,000 followers since joining the platform, and his profile has over 1 million likes. His videos elicit reactions ranging from insults to outpourings of admiration for him and his father. "What a hunk you are," commented a follower in response to an angry video opposing protests for a hostage release deal, adding, "the son of a king." "Like your father, what a hotshot," said another about a video clip in which Shuvael tells his side of the incident in which the elder Ben-Gvir was hit with a clump of sand while at the beach. 

Shuvael admits that his presence on social media can cause firestorms, which he seemingly uses to his advantage, but his posts have also landed him in hot water. Last February, for example, he implied in a tweet that U.S. President Joe Biden is suffering from Alzheimer's disease, even tagging the president's official X account. A few hours later, his father was forced to publish an apology and distance himself from his son's words. 

Shuvael's tweet implying that U.S. President Joe Biden was suffering from Alzheimer's disease.

This incident didn't prevent Shuvael from continuing with this behavior. Streaming live on TikTok in May after a demonstration for the release of the hostages that deteriorated into violence, Shuvael claimed that "The police should have come with cudgels and beat them [protesters] up." In another live broadcast in August, Shuvael defended his father after followers called him a criminal. "Because he blocked a highway? That's what you've been doing here for half a year, clowns," he said, referring to protests for a hostage release deal and cease-fire which have blocked the central highway in Tel Aviv. It should be noted that Itamar Ben-Gvir has 13 criminal convictions and 79 convictions for traffic offenses. 

For some, young Shuvael's media presence brings to mind Yair Netanyahu, and for good reason – both are "the sons of," both have opinions identical to those of their fathers (or even more extreme) and echo them, and both have a presence on social media. But whereas Prime Minister Netanyahu's son focuses his activity on Telegram, apparently because most of the "older" lovers of politics and news can still be found there, Shuvael posts mainly on TikTok and X. 

Shuvael blasts a protestor for wearing a shirt reading "Fuck Ben-Gvir," saying sarcastically "Fuck Hamas? Don't think so. Fuck Sinwar? No."

It's an interesting strategic decision that caters to two different audiences, each important in its own way. On the one hand is an audience of high school students and young adults on TikTok – those who still don't have the right to vote or received it only recently. With the help of short, punchy videos young Ben-Gvir manages to convey hawkish and, some would say, provocative, political messages. 

On the other hand is the older and more political crowd on X, where Shuvael has made a reputation for himself as an edgy figure through tweets that time and again elicit harsh reactions. 

At the end of last week, in response to the detention of three women who distributed flyers calling for the release of hostages held by Hamas in a Herzliya synagogue, Shuvael tweeted that his father was convicted of terrorism due to his distribution of flyers. It should be mentioned that this was a knowing manipulation of the facts. After all, the flyers that Itamar Ben-Gvir distributed at the time were those of the extreme right-wing party and terror organization Kach, which are considered illegal propaganda materials. 

Shuvael's tweet reading: "The reason my father was charged with 'supporting terror' was for distributing flyers."

Even if one doesn't agree with his opinions, Shuvael comes off as smart and calculated. But his various video clips and tweets raise questions as to whether his social media presence comes from a personal desire to make political statements or is the result of an uncompromising education at home. One shouldn't forget that he grew up in a West Bank settlement in a family with a strong right-wing bent. 

It's possible that behind the provocative figure on TikTok is the real Shuvael – a young man wanting to live the ordinary life of a teenager on TikTok, who, along with soccer and having a good time, also loves his father dearly. It's also possible that we're witnessing the rise of the next extremist politician.



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